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  1. Today LA TIMES is reporting both SENATORS FEINSTEIN and BOXER are calling for delay on plans to expand the Central Valley Landfill.
    Reasons given,investigations into birth defects and elevated levels of arsenic in the water.

  2. Today a lesson has been sent from 3000 miles away to the done deal dump commissioners.It’s only a matter of time until Humboldt Co.voters send you packing.
    Thanks to NAG for the excellent,must read letter re:EPA INTERVENTION.

  3. Senator Diane Feinstien of California has just introduced legistration to protect one million acres of California desert( C-Los Angeles Times 12/20/09) She must have learned what Recology has in store for Nevada’s desert.

  4. I lived in San Francisco, and still have many friends there. I have yet to hear one express support for this proposed landfill. If there were a way to get the matter on a ballot, San Franciscans would vote it down faster than they voted down that recent measure to rename the Oceanside Water Treatment facility as the “George W. Bush” Sewage Treatment Plant.

    • This is a good post and I believe this is true. There is a lot of folks in Calif. That thinks this is wrong, Not all people believe in the dump our trash in someone else back yard. I would love to see more out of state folks join us on facebook as a member of Nevadans Against Garbage. We are trying to tell the nasty money mongers that we need to come up with better ways to deal with soild waste and Not to dump it in or near small towns. Thanks for the input

  5. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel let stand a ruling that prevented development of the Eagle Mountain Landfill in an abandoned iron ore mine.
    Two jojoba farmers sued more than 20 years ago to stop a Bureau of Land Management deal necessary for the development. The National Parks Conservation Association later joined the case. Environmentalists said the ruling was a “major victory” that protects bighorn sheep and the endangered desert tortoise by inflating the population of predators like coyotes and ravens.
    Click Here to read the rest of the story.

    • This gives us hope and I feel our group will take all the steps we can to stop this land devastation – this is all about money from far and near. This location was picked because it fits their criteria a small town with a bunch of good ol boys as commissioners and a county that appears to be desperate for income, with a railroad right next to their mega dump site and to top off their plan – they (Recology & Morans) think that no one cares – Boy do they have another thing coming!

  6. GOOD MORNING STEVE,
    WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE.IT’S LEGAL, IT’S ON PRIVATE GROUND. IT’S ONLY ONE LITTLE TRAILER. I WON’T DO IT AGAIN. I’LL SUE. I’VE SPENT SO MUCH TIME, MONEY AND EFFORT TO GET IT TO THIS POINT. DON’T WORRY, THE STATE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. NOBODY GOES THERE. MY BUSINESS WON’T BE HURT SINCE I CAN’T SEE IT, SMELL IT, HEAR IT OR GET SICK FROM IT. DON’T WORRY, IT WON’T BE A PROBLEM. DON’T WORRY, WE’RE TAKING CARE OF YOU. DON’T WORRY, SOMEBODY ELSE WILL MOVE IT. IT’S O.K., AFTER ALL THIS EMOTIONAL OUTCRY IS OVER NO ONE WILL EVEN NOTICE. WE’LL GET USED TO IT.
    IT CAN BE UNDONE IN AN HOUR. IT CAN BE DONE LOCALLY WITH OUT SPENDING LOTS OF MONEY ON FANCY LAWYERS. OPEN HONEST DIALOGUE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT. YOU WON’T BE BE SUED IF I LEAVE IT THERE. YOU WON’T HAVE TO MONITOR THE AIR AND WATER FOR 95 YEARS. YOU WON’T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, IF YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO DRIVE AROUND IT.
    MY FRIENDS, COUNCILMEN, COMMISSIONERS AND BOARD MEMBERS WON’ LET THIS HAPPEN TO ME. THEY HAVE LAWS AGAINST THIS, RIGHT? WE WON’T HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO GET WATER TO KEEP IT CLEAN. EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE BENEFITS OF HAVING IT HERE. IT’S OBVIOUSLY GOOD FOR OUR ECONOMY – HIGH PAYING JOBS WILL KEEP IT WASHED, KEEP THE WIND FROM BLOWING IT AWAY, KEEP THE TIRES FILLED, BUILD A FENCE AROUND IT, PUT A LINER UNDER IT AND TEST THE WATER RUNNING OFF OF IT. THESE JOBS WILL KEEP OUR COMMUNITY GOING ONCE THE MINING IS GONE.
    OH – IF I MOVE IT AND IT SPILLS – DON’T WORRY, THE CITY, STATE OR COUNTY WILL CLEAN IT UP. DON’T WORRY, I HAVE LOTS OF INSURANCE AND WOULD NEVER GO BANKRUPT IF THERE’S A PROBLEM. (BUT YOU’LL HAVE TO LET IT HAPPEN FIRST, THEN SPEND LOTS OF MONEY TO SUE TO GET IT TAKEN CARE OF – THEN WAIT AS THE APPEALS TAKE YEARS).
    NO OFFICER, I DON’T HAVE PROOF OF INSURANCE OR A NEVADA DRIVERS LICENSE – BUT DON’ WORRY, I’M HONEST, NEVER BEEN TO JAIL, NEVER BEEN FINED FOR FRAUD OR BRIBERY – DON’T WORRY, I’M HONEST AND I’LL TAKE CARE OF IT.
    YES, THOSE ARE THE BEST HIGH TECH TIRES, THEY NEVER GO FLAT OR HAVE A BLOW OUT (I GOT THEM FROM THE LOWEST BIDDER), AND I NEVER OVERLOAD THE TRAILER AND ALWAYS STOP TO GO BACK TO PICK UP THE TRASH THAT BLOWS OFF!
    I WANT TO BE YOUR NEW BEST FRIEND – BUT I’LL SUE YOU IF YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT MESSING WITH ME.
    SORRY STEVE, YOU’RE TALKING TO THE WRONG BOARD. OOPS, I MEAN PERSON. CALL THE STATE, THEY COME BY ONCE A YEAR AND WILL TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING – NO PROBLEM, OR CALL THE GOVERNOR, YOU KNOW HE WILL HELP.
    OH, YOU DIDN’T SEE IT COMING? I MOVED IT DOWN WINNEMUCCA BOULEVARD IN DAYLIGHT, DURING BUSINESS HOURS – WHY DIDN’T YOU SEE IT THEN? I DIDN’T NEED TO CALL YOU SINCE IT’S SMALL ENOUGH NOT TO NEED PERMITS. I HAVE COMPLIED WITH ALL STATE AND LOCAL REGULATIONS. I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU WERE NOT AWARE – IT’S BEEN IN TOWN FOR MONTHS – WHY ALL THE UPROAR NOW?
    DON’T WORRY THE STATE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. I WAS AT THE GOVERNORS INAUGURAL BALL AND HE SAID IT WAS O.K. – HE EVEN SAID HE LIKED WHAT I WAS DOING AND IS BEHIND ME 100%.
    DON’T WORRY – I’LL BRING IN A PUBLIC RELATIONS TEAM TO HELP TELL PEOPLE IT’S NO PROBLEM AND IT WAS DONE ACCORDING TO REGULATION. DON’T WORRY – HE’LL EVEN PAY FOR LUNCH. IF YOUR FRIENDS WANT LUNCH, HE’LL PAY TO TALK TO THEM TOO! REMEMBER, IT’S ONLY HOUSEHOLD WASTE!
    I’M YOUR FRIEND, YOU’VE KNOWN ME FOR THREE YEARS, OR IS IT SIX? I CAN’T EVEN REMEMBER WHEN OR WHERE WE MET.
    OH – YOU FOUND OUT THAT I LEASE/OPTIONED ANOTHER THREE LOTS NEXT TO THE ONE THE TRAILER IS ON. I DON’T THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT I HAVE PLANNED FOR THEM OR WHY I HAVE THEM. IT’S NOT IMPORTANT NOW.
    WHY DO YOU ACT ALL UPSET? IT’S LEGAL, IT’S A DONE DEAL. THERE’S NOTHING I CAN DO NOW. I KNOW YOU WON’T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
    DON’T WORRY, ILL PAY YOU TO LET ME LEAVE IT THERE. I’LL GIVE YOU LOTS OF MONEY SO YOU WON’T FEEL BADLY ABOUT IT’S BEING HERE. IT NEEDS TO BE HERE TO FOR THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS. BENEFITS FOR OUR SCHOOLS, OUR TEACHERS, OUR ROADS.
    IT WILL MAKE IT EASIER TO FIND WINNEMUCCA AND GET PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT US. IT’S EVEN ON PAGE 3 OF THE WALL STREET JOURNAL TODAY! IT WILL MAKE US FAMOUS. WE HAVE 18,000 SQUARE MILES OF PRIVATE GROUND IN HUMBOLDT COUNTY TO BUILD DUMPS ON. THEN WE CAN REALLY MAKE ALOT OF MONEY!!!
    DON’T WORRY, IT’S ONLY FOR 95 YEARS. NOT TO WORRY, THERE WILL BE NO HAZARDOUS WASTE. WE DON’T EVEN HAVE TO SORT IT, THAT WILL BE DONE VERY CAREFULLY IN CALIFORNIA.
    DON’T WORRY, THERE’S NO EARTHQUAKE STRONG ENOUGH TO TIP IT OVER OR MAKE IT ROLL INTO THE STREET.
    TRUST ME, I’M YOUR NEW “GREEN PAL” UNTIL I CHANGE MY NAME AGAIN. TRUST ME, I’VE NEVER LIED OR DONE ANYTHING WRONG. (HERE, TAKE THIS MONEY, IT WILL ALL BE O.K.) THE LAW SAYS I CAN LEAVE IT THERE . MY LAWYERS SAY YOU’LL GO BROKE TRYING TO EVICT ME. DON’T WORRY, I’LL CLEAN IT UP.
    THE LAW THAT SAYS “NO TRASH TRAILERS WITHIN 100 FEET OF AN AQUIFER” DOES NOT APPLY TO ME. THOSE RATS, MICE AND BACTERIA NEED A HOME TOO! DON’T WORRY, THEY’RE ALL LEGAL
    CAN’T SEE AROUND IT? DON”T WORRY – IT’S LEGAL. KIDS & ANIMALS CAN’T GET HURT BY IT – SUE ME IF THEY DO! LETS WAIT UNTIL IT HARMS SOMEONE OR SOMETHING FIRST – THEN WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
    WELCOME TO MY NIGHTMARE,
    TOM BRISSENDEN

  7. EMAIL FROM A RECOLOGY LAWYER…YES, LETS DEAL WITH FACTS (ABOUT THE JUNGO ROAD LANDFILL, THAT IS)

    Salutationsi, as I’ve asked many of you, I sent an email to 2000 of my closest friends asking people that are non-Humboldt County/Winnemucca residents, or under 18, to sign the e-statement at

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stoplandfill/signatures.html

    for a show of support for stopping the landfill. At any rate, one of my friends forwarded along my email to her 2000 friends. She received back, a note from a lawyer for Recology.

    I’m sharing this in case any of you get the same and would like some background on how to respond. Also, in case it helps you better communicate to your community leaders given what Recology may be saying to others.

    Given Debbie Leonard, Attorney for MCDONALD CARANO WILSON LLP, noted that my email was full of errors, I double-checked with some folks. My facts are correct. 4000 tons per day, 5 days per week, VIA train, 20 story building pile of landfill. One thing some folks like Debbie could question is how close homes are. I think it depends on your view of close and whether or not you are worried about air polution given the winds in Winnemucca. So, I stand by my facts in my email asking people to sign the i-petition, and offer lee-way given perception on how close it is to homes.

    It was great to get Ms. Leonard’s view from Recology and helpful in articulating our concerns in a clear way. Below, you will find Ms. Leonard’s response to my email, followed by my email…and finally, below, some thoughts/considerations on Ms. Leonard’s email.

    From: Debbie A. Leonard
    Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:22:02 AM
    Subject: RE: Dump in the Nevada Desert…..
    Hi,
    Recology is my client and is being subject to a huge campaign of misinformation (possibly fueled by a competitor) regarding the proposed landfill project in Humboldt County . The email below is full of errors and inaccuracies which I would be happy to correct, if you would like. I suggest you take a look at all of the design and operations plans that have been submitted to NDEP in the permitting process. They will show you that the proposed project is 28 miles from Winnemucca (the closet community), will use a state-of-the-art liner (the first of its kind in Nevada ) and is in a separate groundwater basin from Winnemucca, the Humboldt River and Rye Patch Reservoir. In contrast, the Lockwood landfill is approximately 3 miles from Reno/Sparks, is close to the Truckee River, is unlined and receives 50% more waste per day than the Jungo project ever will (6,000 tons per day). The Jungo project will receive waste by rail (low carbon footprint) compared to the hundreds of diesel trucks bringing waste from Sacramento and other northern California communities to Lockwood. All of this information is readily available online, yet people continue to choose to ignore it. Until we all learn to produce no waste, I am not sure we can live without landfills. I’d rather have one being run by an environmentally conscious company (they do green waste composting, recycling and waste to energy projects) than the alterative. I encourage you to educate yourself and your friends by looking at these sites, and feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
    http://ndep.nv.gov/BWM/jungo.htm
    http://ndep.nv.gov/BWM/swmp/index.htm

    Debbie A. Leonard | Attorney

    MCDONALD CARANO WILSON LLP
    100 West Liberty Street, 10th Floor | Reno , NV 89501
    phone (775) 788-2000 | facsimile (775) 788-2020

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    MY E-MAIL THAT MY FRIEND FORWARDED, RESULTING IN MS. LEONARDS EMAIL ABOVE:

    From: Tracy Austin [mailto:tracy@austinkowal.com]
    Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 10:16 PM
    Subject: Greetings and a Request

    HI!

    If you are my friend on facebook, you know I am very interested in stopping a landfill about to come in to Northern Nevada, just outside of Winnemucca off Jungo Road , Black Rock Desert . The land fill, proposed by Recology, would bring in 4000 tons of non-recycleable trash (including hazardous waste), 5 days a week, via train, for 95 years, from the Bay area of California . The result, if this is the ONLY trash that comes in, is a mound of trash = to a 20 story building on the Black Rock. Plus, the land fill is near a water supply, where people recreate, wild life and agriculture. Homes are also nearby.

    We know there are many folks out there that see this as a bigger issue than Jungo Road/Winnemucca, NV. And, folks that visit the Black Rock and don’t want to see this happen. My request is that each of you sign the e-statement/petition, and email it to 1000 of your closest friends, and ask them to do the same. There is also a link to a version of the statement that accommodates non-US country addresses.

    This is not a ‘voters’ petition’. It is an opportunity for those that aren’t Humboldt County/Winnemucca residents or aren’t 18+ to share their view with Humboldt County , Winnemucca, and Nevada leadership and citizens, as well as Recology.

    Please e-sign this and email it along to others you know that support stopping the land fill.

    Link to ‘e-statement’: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stoplandfill/

    Thanks for your consideration, and I hope this finds you all well!

    Tracy

    PS: If you would like more information on the issues, please see the links to the right of the text for the e-statement.

    MY THOUGHTS/OBSERVATIONS ON MS. LEONARD’S EMAIL and the ‘inaccuracies’ of my email asking folks to sign the e-statement

    •I’m well aware of where Jungo Road is relative to Winnemucca. Also, all of the legal material on the internet clearly spells it out as being either 25 miles or up to 28 miles. All people in Winnemucca are, too, very aware of where the proposed Jungo Road landfill site is. We’ve all been out there. Has Ms. Leonard? People recreate out there, there is agriculture out there, and people that own land out there were considering building. Sad thing is, most
    people don’t seem to realize that any one appreciates that part of the Black Rock and think it’s waste land. Distance to homes may be one of perception and area of concern about the landfill (air pollution or eye pollution). Also, there is a difference of what 25-28 miles means to someone that lives in the country vs. the city (especially if they’ve never been to Winnemucca and Jungo Road) and to someone that lives less than 25-28 miles from the land fill site as the crow flies.
    •I didn’t bring up the point on the liner in my email or try to debate the liner. I don’t know if it is any good or not. I know there are tons of other science issues that make this a bad call. For example, we know the aquifer below the landfill site is linked to the municipal water supply, Rye Patch and Humboldt River given the history of other projects. We know there is public reporting that the soil report states the soil cannot propose the design for the landfill.
    •My email DID state the trash would come in via rail.I know rail is allegedly a lower carbon footprint (i have not investigated this route in particular) for moving trash than via truck. I do understand this Ms. Leonard is missing the point in favor of her client, Recology. If the waste comes in via time travel, no one cares. No one wants the waste.
    •I am aware of Lockwood. I’m not focused on Lockwood or trying to change Lockwood. Not sure why Ms. Leonard brings up Lockwood.
    •My email does not debate or question Recology’s management skills or commitment to the environment. It is a fact that I don’t want that waste out there. No landfill period. Even if God runs it.
    •Also,as a reminder, this waste includes non-recyclable waste.
    •The numbers in the email are from Recology.
    •Harry Reid has funded a study at the federal level that will investigate timing for seepage of ‘waste’ into the water supply, specifically, the aquifer.

    I do read and have read a lot on line about this. The NDEP does not impress me given their lack of tests and understanding of the wind challenges in Winnemucca. But I have read their material.

    The point is, also, the citizens of Winnemucca do not want the landfill. The community ‘leadership’ messed up by approving the conditional use permit (cup) for Recology. The CUP was approved on 4/12/07. The ordinance to make it legal for Winnemucca/Humboldt County to have a second landfill wasn’t effective until 10/26/07. The fact that this ordinance change didn’t include in its own summary or public postings that the ordinance allowed for the council and board to authorize hazardous waste is shameful. Add to that, that Recology neglected to mention hazardous waste in their CUP proposal…and gee…seems like there is plenty of legal reason to recall the ordinance and the CUP.

    But Ms. Leonard wouldn’t know that. We do. And we are working this from a fact view, not a ‘re-spin’ of issues that don’t matter.

    • Right On! WOW! well said – here is the bottom line Recology – WE DO NOT WANT THE DUMP HERE! Even if the Lord is running it (I like that) and I love God! And I love the Desert, that’s why I live here. Keep up the Great work Friends

  8. I live in Lovelock. The Humboldt River flows downhill from Winnemucca to Rye Patch Res. to the water intake for Lovelock. That makes Jungo Flats uphill from the water intake. Recology says that water would have to flow uphill to pose a contamination problem. They either don’t know or are just lying. I lived by a land fill in Oregon for 25 years, and I at least have an idea of what happens when tons of garbage is stacked up every day. I don’t think people in Humboldt county understand what they are dealing with. Long term contamination and ruin of the environment is the deal. Humboldt County officials have no right to act as though this concerns only them. That is why I will vote in this as a resident of Pershing County. This is too big for that county office to decide.

  9. Penny Press Weekly email edition
    From The Publisher:
    A Bad Civics Lesson In Winnemucca
    October 15, 2009
    I have been in the journalism business since I was 13 years old.
    I have worked in this industry at every level from the smallest of weekly newspapers to network television covering everything from the smallest of city councils to major, national stories for the past 44 years.
    At some point, you begin to realize that you’ve seen most everything at least once.
    That certainly is the case for me—especially in the field of municipal and county government.
    So, when I covered the Humboldt County (NV) Regional Planning Commission meeting last Thursday (video at http://www.stopcaliforniagarbage.com) and saw the antics of Vice Chairman Richard Brown, I was not surprised. But I was quite dismayed.
    This is a group which takes itself quite seriously.
    Knowing that the item relating to the proposal of the San Francisco garbage company, Recology, to open a huge garbage dump in rural Humboldt County was going to be of huge interest to the community, the Commission staff still put it near the end of the agenda, apparently hoping that the roomful of people opposed to the project would get tired and leave. It’s a standard bureaucratic trick.
    Instead, those folks in attendance got a civics lesson.
    They learned how concerned their Regional Planning Commission was with fifth-wheels placed on rural land zoned for mobile homes. They learned how concerned their Regional Planning Commission was about a guy who wants to crush vehicles on his land.
    They learned how concerned their Regional Planning Commission was about trash on city-owned land which was part of the city’s gold course.
    Why their Regional Planning Commission’s Vice Chair was so concerned about the fifth-wheel, he abstained from official discussion so he could appear as a witness against one of his neighbors.
    And then, when the issue of the garbage dump finally came up, were they still concerned?
    Not so much.
    Asked by a member of the public why they issued a conditional use permit to Recology, Chairman Ray Olsen said, “because property owners have rights.”
    Apparently not if they want to park a fifth wheel or a single wide on the wrong rural lot. There, they represent the nanny state.
    But if they want to build one of the biggest garbage dumps in history, then, they have rights.
    Brown acted like a five-year-old, throwing a temper tantrum every time something went against the interests of his friends at Recology. It was embarrassing.
    He actually tried to shout down attorney Bob Dolan (www.stopcaliforniagarbage.com) and made a hollow threat to have him removed from the room while Chairman Olsen looked on.
    Frankly, were this in Clark County, the FBI would already be looking into Brown’s relationship to Recology. And the FBI has more than a passing familiarity with Recology, a company which has been involved in bribery investigations in the past and has had a Vice President do 18 months at Club Fed for that very crime.
    I want to make it very clear that I am not yet accusing Brown of anything more than being incredibly and vehemently incompetent and obnoxious.
    But if he keeps it up, we—and about 2,000 other citizens of Humboldt County—are going to want to verify his financial disclosure statements.
    The equation here is simple.
    A large—a VERY large—group of citizens are against this project.
    Brown and his friends—for whatever their reasons—do not want to budge from a bad decision.
    This is America. The Planning Commission is going to lose. And if they keep it up, a whole lot of people are going to start asking some very inconvenient questions.
    FRED WEINBERG

    • Fred, Well said. I too am not making any accusations but find it interesting that Rich Brown’s airplane after sitting idol for years for want of a $25,000 engine is again flying high. It seems abundantly clear to me that not only the RPC but the County Commission and City Council have circled their wagons in order to defend themselves from angry voters. Perhaps the AG, or FBI or both should be asked to investigate what may be a nasty can of worms indeed. Richard Cook

      • In Regards to the Rich Brown witch hunt:
        This garbage mess is all to framiliar. Does anyone remember when Walmart wanted to move into town? Everyone was so afraid of change. People thought that it would crumble small businesses. They thought it would ruin our peaceful communtiy. They were afraid of growth. My father supported the Walmart move, and was visciously attacked for his opinion.
        Now where do you shop Winnemucca? Where do you go for your shampoo and diapers? Do you still drive to Reno to shop, and give your money to another community? Winnemucca is home to 4 grocery stores, retail clothing stores, and numerous auto parts and service departments. Even Burdettes is still in business, regardless of Walmarts shoe section! (I love Sal’s shoes, good quality) When I shop I go to Raleys for produce, Uptown for meat, PDQ for an oil change, Napa for auto parts, Round Table for pizza, and Walmart for the odds and ends. I don’t spread out my money out of community spirit, but because I like good value and quality product.
        My point is that Walmart didn’t damage Winnemucca, and neither will this landfill. It will boost your budget by over a million dollars a year. Do you remember what it was like when gold prices fell in the late 90’s? What will you do when that happens again in our current economy? People complain about the crumbling schools. Who’s tax dollars will go towards education when gold falls? Where is your safety net?
        How can any of you who disagree because of environmental concerns do so with good concience. YOU LIVE IN A MINING COMMUNITY. YOU DIG BIG HOLES IN THE EARTH AND SPRAY CYANIDE ALL OVER THEM!!! Everyone who lives in Winnemucca benefits from mining. You want to pass over an opportunity for financial stability with the landfill; but you will be okay with watching the landscape be torn up from mining. You worry about poluting Rye patch, but what about the mine that’s miles closer to Rye patch than the landfill site? I don’t see anyone lined up with pitch forks at their gates. The KWNA website is so hipocritical. It complains about not being able to tear up the landscape in other communities for Winnemucca’s benefit (such as Alaska and White Pine for your SUV’s and energy); and in the same breath calls for action against the landfill from an environmental standpoint! Yeah, because the people of Winnemucca care soooo much about their environment. That’s why there’s a state of the art recycling program right? That’s why Rye Patch is full enough to put a boat into it year round right? That’s why you eat fish from the humboldt river right?
        I know that my opinions are taken lightly. I’m Rich’s daughter, of course I’m going to stick up for him. Anyone who knows my family will tell you that my father and I do not agree on many things. We debate social issues and politics almost every time we have more than a few hours together. He has his faults for sure. He wears his thoughts and emotions on his sleeve. Sometimes he speaks his mind without considering the consequenses of public opinion. He has conversations with people honestly, not considering that some people could use his words against him. He’s a stickler for the rules to an almost annoying degree. The biggest fault of all is that he likes to get people riled up, especially if he is comfortable with them. Sometimes, he forgets about putting on a game face in public. He’ll tell you straight up what he feels no matter what. We’ve gone rounds… rounds about so many issues. After every discussion I feel more confident and passionate about my positions. I also have so much more respect and understanding for people who disagree with me after those discussions.
        I watched the video with Bob Dolan on the KWNA site tonight. I also spoke with dad directly after that meeting when I called to see how he was doing. Bob and my dad have been aquaintences for more than a few years now. They are both passionate people, one of them knows what a game face is. From what I saw and heard, Bob spoke to someone behind him out of order. Before I heard dad say anything on the video (he must have started to say something, or made some kind of motion of displeasure), Bob started boiling. He raised his voice and told the board that he can speak to anyone he wants because someone did it previously. I saw dad gesture to the chairman like “is this permitted, what’s up?” and the Chairman made the decision to tell Bob that he was out of order. From the video it’s quite clear to me that he was trying to hold himself back from saying something and being out of order himself, but couldn’t let Bob get away with breaking the rules either. From my phone conversation, he told me that Bob started walking out and was pulling “Bob Dolan” faces, so he started to chuckle. Yeah, it was uncalled for. He should have contained himself. I’m confident that if this situation had occured between Rich Brown and another individual who he did not know personally, there would not have been a chuckle. This comment is probably making the situation worse but oh well, it’s the truth. That’s what the issue is about right? He laughed because Bob Dolan was upset that his courtroom style antics didn’t work and he didn’t get his way. Like I said before; he likes to get people riled up, especially passionate people like Bob. Unfortunately, it made him look like a total evil jerk to a bunch of people he doesn’t know.
        Mr. Richard Cook, you have been a customer of my fathers and a friendly associate of my mothers for years. How dare you insinuate that my parents take money on the sly! As if Rich Brown has some supreme authority on the landfill issue and is pimping it to the community. He has no “friends” at Recology Mr Cook. The only interest my father has is of the people of Humboldt County. He has never taken a dime from anyone for anything. The first house he ever lived in that wasn’t on wheels was one he built with the help of my mother and a few close friends. They had never built a house, so they got some how to books and just did it! After owning a computer for only a short time, he and my mother saw an opportunity for a business and started up the OnRamp. They made some wise investments and had the opportunity to fulfill one of his biggest dreams: own his own plane. When gas prices were crazy he couldn’t afford to fly it, so why tune up the engine? When I moved my family to Salt Lake City last month, he decided to get it up and running. He has two grandkids who are a huge part of his life and no 6 hour drive is going to come between them. They spent money they didn’t have to help us travel back and forth. They took care of my kids while their dad and I found a place to live. All of this they did for me, and on the verge of his second hip replacement. There is no new airplane engine. Only a much needed (and yes, expensive) tuneup. After reading a few of your posts; It seems to me, Mr Cook, that you are a bored old man who likes to stir the pot. I’ve never really met you, so I must just share in the Mayor’s “womens intuition”.
        Where were all of you when this was voted on two years ago? As I recall, it was on the front page of the Humboldt Sun.

        I hope that this post gives you some insight from the other side of the argument. I hope that it doesn’t do my family any furthar harm. I didn’t sugar coat anything, but we just don’t do that in my family.
        One final observation. I noticed that when the KWNA garbage site was loading, there was a /fransway2010 at the bottom of my screen. Hmmm… Rich Brown did run against Fransway in the last election, maybe that site is just a little biast.
        Formerly of “The ‘Muc”
        Crystal Brown

    • Everyone is entitled to their opinion; even Crystal Brown
      In Regards to the Rich Brown witch hunt:
      I can appreciate a daughter taking up for a father if she believes an entity or person is out to get him. My dad is 90 and if anyone was to go after him they would have to go through me first. That being said, I believe character assassination should be left to politicians.
      Nevadans Against Garbage is most concerned about two issues: 1) The importation of garbage from outside the state and 2) the site selection of the Jungo Landfill project in particular. Until Nevada can become a Zero Waste state we will have to provide facilities for depositing garbage created by our citizens.
      Your reference to Wal-Mart is well taken and if memory serves, the most outspoken opponents to Wal-Mart were the merchants of Winnemucca. Now if you had mentioned Cyanco, I could see a similar struggle when it comes to the community being much divided on the issue/project.
      Now that I have mentioned Cyanco and you mentioned Cyanide and how it is applied, your characterization of the application is flawed. I don’t believe I need to go further than to say that the science related to the application of Cyanide, in the gold mining industry and the resulting generation of leachate in landfills is very different and available from any number of sources. Particular consideration should be given to the residual effects of both.
      You mention the time when gold prices fell in the late 90’s and how will we cope “when that happens again in our current economy?” You also mention complaints about the crumbling schools and where the tax dollars will go towards education when gold falls. Suggesting, we need a safety net.
      Winnemucca is geographically located half way between San Francisco and Salt Lake City, it has two major railroads going through it and two major roadways. If the politicians and the people need/want a safety net to take them through an end to mining in the county, and that is inevitable, they can develop a plan to solicit clean industry into our community. The tax dollars and jobs will follow.
      You also mentioned that “Yeah, because the people of Winnemucca care soooo much about their environment. That’s why there’s a state of the art recycling program right? That’s why Rye Patch is full enough to put a boat into it year round right? That’s why you eat fish from the Humboldt River right?” I believe the point is that “down stream our neighbors will suffer the consequences of a Mega Landfill built in Humboldt County without due diligence and applied science to protect them and the generations to come.
      You mention sharing the Mayor’s “womens intuition”. I’m not sure what that means, I’ll have to ask her.
      Finally, you ask “Where were all of you when this was voted on two years ago?” As I recall, the front page article in the paper (with a circulation of 4900) was printed after the Conditional Use Permit (CUP) was issued and the dimensions of the project were not fully disclosed.

    • Mr. Weinberg:

      Since you have been in the journalism field for so many years and have covered so many civic meetings, then you will know that the RPC could not legally revoke the CUP that was issued without any hard evidence, which was not provided at the last RPC meeting. I heard a lot of speculation and accusations, but nothing in hard facts that confirmed anyone’s ideas that the water table beneath the proposed site is connected to any other water systems. The CUP is a first step in a series of many; the company still needs the water permit, and if things are as Jim French claims, then halting the process should not pose a huge hurdle as long as he is able to back up his suspicions with actual evidence and further studies (not just ones from former mining operations).

      You spoke about the behavior of the planning commissioners but didn’t mention the behavior of the audience. What I saw at the planning commission meeting were members trying to keep the meeting under control and moving in an orderly fashion (a little different than recent county commission meetings), and what I heard from the audience were outbursts, applause and random, immature comments that are reminiscent of those made in middle school. More than once I heard someone a couple rows behind me fake-coughing “BULLSH*T!” — is that something to be proud of? I don’t think I’ve heard someone do that since I was in high school, decades ago.

      If you have looked over any agenda that includes items regarding the landfill, you’ll notice that they’re always placed toward the end of the meeting so that the other items can be taken care of quickly so people in the room waiting for their turn won’t have to sit through hours of comments regarding the landfill. It’s not a “trick” to get people to leave (if they really care that much, would putting it at the end of the agenda really discourage them all that much?)

      Chairman Olsen made that comment because it’s absolutely true — RPC members cannot stop a private land owner from doing business simply because they do not like what the business is. Could you imagine the implications that would come with that for future property owners? What about brothels and casinos? If they’re legal and have their paperwork in order, they should be allowed to do business as long as they are doing so legally, right? Isn’t that what the American Dream is all about? I’m not excited about the prospect of a mega-landfill coming into the county, but that doesn’t mean I’m against it. I’m also not for it — I don’t have enough information about it to make a decision yet. But I am going to keep listening and weeding through the rumors that are constantly flying around (such as the one that county officials are in the “pockets” of Recology. Really?)

      Vice Chairman Brown HAD to step down on that item because he is a neighbor of the man and thus had a conflict of interest. He had no choice. Stepping down from the board also gave him the temporary identity of a member of the public, so he was allowed and encouraged to give public comment — isn’t that what everyone has the right to do? And the fact is, the man living in his 5th wheel was doing so illegally according to state laws. It’s not an issue of whether or not people are allowed to park 5th wheels on their property (of course they are!), it’s an issue of whether or not those people are allowed to have multiple hook-ups to a septic tank (no), and whether or not they are allowed to live in a structure that hasn’t been approved by a county building inspector as a permanent residence (no) and the whole question about taxes.
      VC Brown got in an argument with Mr. Dolan because Dolan addressed the audience rather than the board. It is well within the board’s authority to keep their meetings under control, and if that means stopping a public commentor from riling up the audience, then so be it.

      • Mr Baryol and I had an interesting conversation about a week ago. I hope he doesn’t mind my posting it. I thought there was a lot of good information and clairification.
        Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:26:52 -0700
        From: fbaryol@yahoo.com
        Subject: Re: Nevadans Against Garbage “Discussion”
        To: crystallorenabrown@live.com

        Hi Crystal,
        Your reply to Richard Cook has been posted and I have taken the liberty to post a reply to your reply. All the best to you and yours in Salt Lake. If you visit Winnemucca, look me up, I would love to have a dialogue with you about your views about the future of Winnemucca and Humboldt County.
        Below is my reply to your post:

        Everyone is entitled to their opinion; even Crystal Brown
        In Regards to the Rich Brown witch hunt:
        I can appreciate a daughter taking up for a father if she believes an entity or person is out to get him. My dad is 90 and if anyone was to go after him they would have to go through me first. That being said, I believe character assassination should be left to politicians.
        Nevadans Against Garbage is most concerned about two issues: 1) The importation of garbage from outside the state and 2) the site selection of the Jungo Landfill project in particular. Until Nevada can become a Zero Waste state we will have to provide facilities for depositing garbage created by our citizens.
        Your reference to Wal-Mart is well taken and if memory serves, the most outspoken opponents to Wal-Mart were the merchants of Winnemucca. Now if you had mentioned Cyanco, I could see a similar struggle when it comes to the community being much divided on the issue/project.
        Now that I have mentioned Cyanco and you mentioned Cyanide and how it is applied, your characterization of the application is flawed. I don’t believe I need to go further than to say that the science related to the application of Cyanide, in the gold mining industry and the resulting generation of leachate in landfills is very different and available from any number of sources. Particular consideration should be given to the residual effects of both.
        You mention the time when gold prices fell in the late 90’s and how will we cope “when that happens again in our current economy?” You also mention complaints about the crumbling schools and where the tax dollars will go towards education when gold falls. Suggesting, we need a safety net.
        Winnemucca is geographically located half way between San Francisco and Salt Lake City, it has two major railroads going through it and two major roadways. If the politicians and the people need/want a safety net to take them through an end to mining in the county, and that is inevitable, they can develop a plan to solicit clean industry into our community. The tax dollars and jobs will follow.
        You also mentioned that “Yeah, because the people of Winnemucca care soooo much about their environment. That’s why there’s a state of the art recycling program right? That’s why Rye Patch is full enough to put a boat into it year round right? That’s why you eat fish from the Humboldt River right?” I believe the point is that “down stream our neighbors will suffer the consequences of a Mega Landfill built in Humboldt County without due diligence and applied science to protect them and the generations to come.
        You mention sharing the Mayor’s “womens intuition”. I’m not sure what that means, I’ll have to ask her.
        Finally, you ask “Where were all of you when this was voted on two years ago?” As I recall, the front page article in the paper (with a circulation of 4900) was printed after the Conditional Use Permit (CUP) was issued and the dimensions of the project were not fully disclosed.

        ****************************
        From: Crystal Brown
        Subject: RE: Nevadans Against Garbage “Discussion”
        To: fbaryol@yahoo.com
        Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 4:37 PM

        Mr Baryol,
        The women’s intuition comment was a dig at Mr. Cook. I had read an earlier post of his where he had asked her how she had come to a particular figure, with her “women’s intuition”. I thought it was a sexist comment and it irked me before I even read his comment about my father.
        Thank you for your reply. I appreciate being heard.
        I don’t think anyone would disagree that the same environmental standards and precautions taken with Cyanide use should be applied to the Landfill.
        If the people of Winnemucca would like to offer up solutions for clean industry, they should do it post haste. The fact is, the citizens of Winnemucca did not even support a recycling program. It would take a lot of organization and footwork to convince Winnemucca to pay attention to their environment. Like I said in my post, this group is complaining that we can’t drill in Alaska or flatten mountains in White Pine County (one of the most beautiful parts of our state, I lived there for a few years.) If another “dirty” industry comes along that doesnt’ have California written on it, your battle will be hard fought and probably lost. My concern is that all of you muccans that I love will suffer because of poor planning and the lack of effort into supporting new ideas.
        You know, I was the manager at Round Table for the last few years. A woman with the Democratic committee called up to make a reservation for meetings. She said that not many people would be there. I asked her if she had a calendar of events I could leave for my employees (many independent and democratic) She said she didn’t have anything. I asked her if she had any literature for her organization and she said no. So she missed that opportunity and I see it so often. If you want to make a change, you need to get organized and you need good ideas. You need to be committed to networking with people outside of your social circles. If you’re not up to that commitment, then don’t do it at all. It just makes you look incompetent. I hope your organization is looking into clean industry ideas to offer up in replacement of the proposed landfill revenue.
        I think your best marketing strategy is that you don’t want “California’s garbage” If it was from Vegas or Wyoming, it wouldn’t be such a big deal. Or if it was nuclear waste traveling through the town from the east coast. But California is evil and liberal and self righteous, we don’t want them to think they can dump their garbage on us.
        Good luck in your efforts for a clean community
        Crystal Brown
        ******************
        Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:04:24 -0700
        From: fbaryol@yahoo.com
        Subject: RE: Nevadans Against Garbage “Discussion”
        To: crystallorenabrown@live.com
        Hi Crystal,
        OK, the women’s intuition comment was a dig, for Mr. Cook, I get it.
        Now to the more salient issues brought up in your email. I believe anyone/everyone with an opinion should have a forum to express their views. I’m proud of the fact that Nevadans Against Garbage (NAG) has developed their blog for information and comments.
        I hope I didn’t confuse you with my comment about the science relating to Cyanide used in gold mining and Leachate generated in Class 1 Landfills. My intent was to draw attention to the residual affects of each and how different they are, in terms of their contamination characteristics. If you believe Cyanide is as dangerous as Leachate from landfills you are in the majority, however the science does not support that notion.
        You suggested that “If the people of Winnemucca would like to offer up solutions for clean industry, they should do it post haste.” I agree that an initiative should start soon but I believe it is the elected officials who should develop a strategy to entice “Green Industry” projects to come to our community.
        A feasibility study by the city of Winnemucca determined that a recycling program would incur a deficit because of processing and transportation costs. The program was nixed at the City level, not by the citizens of Humboldt County or the city of Winnemucca. If you have information otherwise I will make sure it gets press. Just let me know.
        As far as I can determine NAG has not made any public statement “complaining that we can’t drill in Alaska or flatten mountains in White Pine County (one of the most beautiful parts of our state, I lived there for a few years.)” Once again if you have contradictory information pass it on to me and I will make sure it gets a public airing. I’m not sure I understand your next comment. That “If another “dirty” industry comes along that doesn’t’ have California written on it, your battle will be hard fought and probably lost.”
        I agree with your next comment and your “concern is that all of you muccans that I love will suffer because of poor planning and the lack of effort into supporting new ideas.” Poor planning, the lack of research and little collaboration with other communities dealing with Norcal/Recology, by our county officials, has gotten us into this mess. The leadership in Humboldt County is basically “Protectionist” in philosophy and unwilling to take a chance on having the small town environment, they have always known, become anything more (my opinion).
        You are right “If you want to make a change, you need to get organized and you need good ideas. You need to be committed to networking with people outside of your social circles. If you’re not up to that commitment, then don’t do it at all. It just makes you look incompetent.” “NAG is; and is doing all of the above, and more.”
        You’ve been to the NAG web site so you know their agenda. The enticement of clean industry and community development is the responsibility of our elected officials and their appointees and like you; I hope they are up to the task. I believe they are capable but I’m not convinced they want to change the world they know and love all that much. (My opinion) Given the potential for jobs and tax revenue, for Humboldt County, any unrealized revenue that might have been derived by hosting the Jungo Landfill will be considered negligible if our elected officials do their jobs to ensure the viability of our community/county.
        I know, for a fact, that you are wrong when you assume that NAG would be open to solid waste from anywhere outside Nevada. Waste from any other state, being deposited in our county, would be a big deal and would be resisted vigorously. You may have NAG confused with KWNA, and their marketing effort, objecting to the landfill project. Anyway, thanks for the “Good luck in your efforts for a clean community”
        Fred Baryol
        **************************
        From: Crystal Brown
        Subject: RE: Nevadans Against Garbage “Discussion”
        To: fbaryol@yahoo.com
        Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 1:22 AM
        Fred,
        I was speaking about the KWNA site. I really don’t know much about NAG, but will be sure to become familiar. I was also speaking of the KWNA site when I mentioned Alaska and White Pine.
        My comment about “dirty” industry: I think this cause is paid particular attention to by the every day citizens of Winnemucca because of the garbage’s origin. The word California just ticks people off in Nevada.
        I agree that your County and City officials should be the people supporting a green economy. I think that any good official would entertain ideas from the public. They’re really not going to suggest a plan without initial community support. For instance, a small community in humboldt county that is “off the grid”. A completely green community. Could you imagine an elected official suggesting such an idea while trying to win an election in humboldt county? I really don’t think it would work out. I agree that the leadership in Winnemucca is afraid of change. It’s a nice little town compared to much of rural Nevada, but it’s certainly not perfect.
        If what you say is true, and little research and planning was done in regards to the landfill; the people responsible should be held accountable. There’s no excuse for incompetence when you’re dealing with toxins. Not trusting your government is an American responsibility, in my opinion. Everything should be transparent. I don’t think anyone would disagree with transparency. Ideas need to find their way up though. The local government needs to know from an organized community effort that a certain lifestyle is desired and supported. It needs to be widespread and overwhelming support. They need some young blood in my opinion.
        As you can probably tell, I am not 100% familiar with the specifics of this issue. I do my best to stay out of political battles.
        I hope that an agreement can be made to ensure top notch environmental standards if this thing goes through.
        -Crystal
        ******************************
        From: fbaryol@yahoo.com
        Subject: RE: Nevadans Against Garbage “Discussion”
        To: Crystal Brown
        Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 10:19 AM

        Crystal,
        When it comes down to specifics, I like the way you think…
        Regards, fb

  10. Hang in there guys, last nites meeting was ROUND 1# of this Prize fight… has anyone thought to research impact to the immigrant trail or Lassen Trails,for a historic basis or maybe get the American Indian point of view.????.Maybe even the Railroads view and opinions……Has anyone thought about Cost and Hazzards involved in the “possible” Train derailment over the Sierra Nevada Mountains.? ..I’ll start researching ,too. let’s get thinking outside the Trash Box……

  11. Maybe this is a simple-minded suggestion, but if our elected officials can’t or won’t take action to stop out-of-state dumping of waste products in our county, maybe we as voters should. We should start actions that would unseat any of those individuals who voted in favor of County Ordance 101507 allowing for dumping from out-of-state sources. And, we should start a petition that would place a referendum on the next ballot to repeal County Ordance 101507.

    • Dear fellow members of NAG , please purchase a copy of Oct.6-8 .Humboldt Sun,and read the Guest Commentary article on the Landfill by Klad Ybarra.it contains alot of FACTS. that need to be addressed. maybe if someone knows Klad he can download the article….

      • Mike, I don’t know Klad but I sure would like to, his op ed was great. Klad, are you out there? Can anyone put us in touch? Richard Cook

  12. I am president of Waste Not of Yamhill County http://www.wastenotofyamhillcounty.org . We are engaged in a similar battle, fighting expansion of a Waste Management Inc. landfill on the South Yamhill River in Yamhill County, Oregon. Those of you with kids may know our area as the County Beverly Cleary wrote about in her Ramona books.

    WMI takes in 650,000 tons a year, mostly from the Portland Metro area (our County produces only 240,000 tons/year and half of that comes from one business, a paper mill). The dump, scheduled to close in 2014, would more than double under the plan WMI submitted to the County Commissioners. Our Planning Commission, not a group to shrink from unbridled development, voted 7-0 against the expansion.

    We have been studying alternatives to landfills, including enhanced recycling (materials recovery), waste-to-energy, and Zero Waste creation initiatives. At our urging, Yamhill County commissioned a formal (albeit on the cheap) study of alternatives; the study will be submitted in early October. We are also trying to interest our Senators in waste disposal issues. (Good for Harry Reid!)

    If you haven’t already, check out Waste Not Iowa and the amazing work they have accomplished: http://wastenot.wordpress.com/

    Good luck with your fight. Let us know how we can help.

    – Susan Watkins
    maczenith@onlinemac.com

    • Thanks to Susan Watkins for the moral support and extremely relevant information.
      Recology needs to start exploring alternatives to outdated solutions such as landfills and stop trying to shift the burden of California waste to other states.
      From inentec website:
      About Integrated Environmental Technologies, LLC Integrated Environmental Technologies, LLC (”IET”) http://www.inentec.com provides high-tech solutions to the problems of waste accumulation and the need for clean renewable fuels. Through its proprietary waste recycling system, the Plasma Enhanced Melter (”PEM™”), IET transforms municipal (household), commercial, medical, and most industrial and hazardous wastes into clean renewable products, such as ethanol, methanol, syngas and hydrogen, with minimal environmental impact and low costs. The system exceeds the EPA’s standards for comparable facilities in all areas including: air emissions, water discharges, and solid waste generation, and comes closer to 100% recycling of waste than any other such commercially available technology.
      No landfill is safe from degradation over time.
      Deficiencies in Subtitle D Composite Liners:The US EPA Solid Waste Disposal Criteria (August 30 1988) stated:
      “First, even the best liner and leachate collection system will ultimately fail due to natural deterioration, and recent improvements in MSWLF (municipal solid waste landfill) containment technologies suggest that
      releases may be delayed by many decades at some landfills.” Landfills are outdated and potentially hazardous. Don’t let these people push their problems to Nevada.

  13. Here are a group of thoughtful questions submitted to NAG by Mary Granath, a Senior at Albert Lowry High School and Co-Editor of the High School newspaper “The Brand”
    The responses are from Fred Baryol.
    Interview questions
    What’s your opinion on the proposed landfill on Jungo road?
    In my opinion the Jungo landfill project should have never gotten to the point we are currently at. We have allowed a company with a dubious background to treat our planning officials the same way they would treat third world War Lords. What usually happens in a situation like this is a few individuals make a lot of money and the people and the community/country suffer in the long run.
    What would you say to people who already think the landfill is a done deal?
    I don’t believe this project is a done deal. Permits are still to be let and a Host Agreement has not been negotiated.
    Where do you think the ideal site would be for the Bay Area to put their trash?
    California has 15.2 million acres of public lands the BLM manages in California – nearly 15% of the state’s land area [1]. And the amount of private or public land that is undeveloped is upwards of 70,000,000 acres [2]. This is documented in the referenced links I have included in my reply to your post. Not only is there enough open land available in the desert areas of California to accommodate their trash but there is land very well suited to the development of regional landfills. If you look at the map “CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION DIVISION OF LAND RESOURCE PROTECTION” you can see how much land is identified as open for this type of facility.
    Some say the landfill will create much needed jobs and revenue, with the way our economy is going how do you justify turning that away?
    8 Million Pounds of garbage a day, five days a week, for 95 years – No Way! Thirty-five jobs can be developed with a little imagination and some advertised incentives. Humboldt County has two major rail roads and two major highways, an arid climate and we are situated half way between Salt Lake City and San Francisco. If we really want to expand our tax base and create jobs the county can do it.
    Who has the official say on whether of not the landfill happens?
    It is our hope that the people of Humboldt County will have the final word. It could come down to outsiders making the decision (i.e. read the attached letter from Senator Harry Reid to Governor Gibbons). Gibbons told the Reno Gazette-Journal last week that the interstate transportation of trash is a federal matter and that Reid should talk to Democrats in Congress about regulating it.
    Do the jobs it would create in anyway validate the building of the landfill?
    No! This is an interesting question in that the number of jobs to be created has been increased since the community has made its project objections known. In the Humboldt County Commissioner’s meeting (August 3, 2009) Recology COO George McGrath said 20 to 25 jobs – in an article in the San Francisco Chronicle (Wednesday, September 16, 2009) Adam Alberti, a spokesman for Recology, said the project would create 25 to 35 jobs.
    When you consider the best guess offered by Recology of 35 employees and the mining industry at 2,418[4] jobs with an Annual Mean income of $54,315[5] the additional 35 jobs will have no significant impact on the economy of Humboldt County.
    Is there anything (more money, shorter period, less trash…) that would make the building of the landfill acceptable?
    Yes! I believe the landfill should be built in the county from which the garbage originates. If that were the case the county and state would have more incentive to develop a “Zero Waste” mentality. Do not confuse Zero Waste with recycling. Recycling means the perpetual creation of garbage and is a tool used by the garbage industry to make themselves appear environmentally benign while insuring that nothing can oppose the ceaseless creation of garbage, under the excuse that it will somehow get recycled.

    1. http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en.html
    2. http://www.aic.ucdavis.edu/publications/pub/briefs/brief16a.pdf
    3. http://ftp.consrv.ca.gov/pub/dlrp/FMMP/pdf/urban_change/bayarea_urban_change1984_2004.pdf
    4. http://www.justia.com/us-states/nevada/humboldt-county/#employment
    5. http://www.nevadaworkforce.com/cgi/databrowsing/localAreaProfileQSResults.asp?selectedarea=Humboldt+County&selectedindex=0&menuChoice=localAreaPro&state=true&geogArea=3204000013&countyName=&ID=5108

  14. Great site…keep up the good work. I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I’m glad I found your blog. Thanks,

    A definite great read.. 🙂

    -Bill-Bartmann

  15. 4,000 TONS of Garbage a Day?
    NO WAY!

    Thank you, Tami Vetter, Annie Drake, Lianne Iroz, Jeri Billingsley and all the hard working members of Nevadans Against Garbage. The dedicated individuals involved in this organization are working diligently to insure that a proposed Class 1 landfill NEVER comes to Humboldt County! This is NOT a done deal!
    Imagine this: A 45 car train carrying 90 containers, each filled with 45 tons of garbage (including Asbestos, shredded tires and sewer sludge) from nine northern California counties, unloading 8 MILLION pounds of that garbage, 5 days a week.
    To start with, a pyramid of garbage, 200 feet high, will be constructed on the playa. This will just be the beginning. The proposed life expectancy of this project is 95 years, threatening our ground water supply and air quality for generations.
    Do you want our beautiful Silver State playa to become a dumping ground for California’s garbage? If this proposed landfill comes to our county it will set a dangerous precedent, sending the message, to processors and brokers in waste management from all over the country, that our state and the residents of this county are willing to accept their garbage.
    Residents of Humboldt County, please, don’t let this happen. Let your city and county officials know that our well-being, our way of life and our beautiful high desert is NOT A DUMPING GROUND. Go to the Nevadans Against Garbage website, (Nevadansagainstgarbage.com), print out a letter of opposition to this project and mail or hand deliver it to the office of every community official listed. Volunteer to help this organization, purchase a sticker for your car, make a donation, if you can and protect our way of life and our community. No internet, no problem. Compose a letter and deliver it to your city and county officials. The garbage train is headed our way……. Let your voice be heard!

    • Sorry, but I have a couple problems with this proposed dump. Number on, California is always trying to game other states. For instance that are opposed to building coal-fired plants but will purchase power from such plants from out of state. Two, why are they to receive only $1 million dollars while accepting 1.2 million tons of trash? Three when was asbestos ever classified as “household trash”.
      Tell California what they can do with their trash. The entire counrty has been much too tolerant of the “left coast” and that needs to change.

  16. Although the public comments at Thursday’s Planning Commission meeting were, generally, excellent it was very discouraging to see the low turnout. That room should have been packed with the crowd spilling out into the halls and down the stairs, that would have gotten the Commission’s attention, especially the members with political ambitions such as Rich Brown. I believe that this County’s residents are overwhelmingly opposed to the dump but you sure couldn’t tell that by the turnout and I’m sure that Rich (Rich Brown recently expressed to me that he believes that global warming is nothing more than a left-wing plot in spite of overwhelming scientific evidence) disagrees. It’s going to take the threat of their consignment to political oblivion to wake the Rich Browns of this County from their ideological slumber. People I spoke to who were not at the meeting claimed they were uninformed and, indeed, if I wasn’t following NAG on-line (many don’t/can’t) I would be further behind the curve than I am; therefore, I would like to volunteer to work with whomever is designated to increase public awareness/involvement. Thanks, Richard Cook

  17. Why Nevada? I am sure California hasn’t run out of space to put a new landfill. Is it because their laws are so restrictive and it is much more costly to run land fills there? Recology intends to pay approximately $1 per ton of trash that comes in. According to statistics from other areas, the Minimum average price paid is $3 per ton. So Humboldt County would be getting paid 1/3 the minimum usual payment host fee. Some say it will have economic benefits for the county. I guess a million dollars is a lot of money for a small community, but will it be worth living next to this huge landfill? Giving around 30 local people jobs at the landfill is not my idea of a benefit worth the sacrifice here. At whatever wage these people will make (can’t be that great) is that really going to have a large impact on the local economy?

    Now I know trash has to go somewhere, and the amount created by humans is only going to grow, but I do not agree with the Jungo site being the place to put a giant landfill. There is so much more remote space in the state that is not 25 miles outside of Winnemucca, for one thing. There are hardly any towns in the state, and to want to locate it that close to one is ridiculous. But mainly, I believe if you make the trash, you should have to live by it and deal with it. It should stay California’s problem.

    Maybe this is the time to create some new laws limiting out-of-state waste allowed to come into Nevada. If this project does happen, will this only set a precident? What will stop other large cities in California from railing trash in? Just look at New Jersey to get an idea of what can happen. After taking trash from New York City for years, they became known not as the Garden State, but as the “Garbage State”. Is this the future we want for beautiful Nevada? I don’t know about you, but I don’t want my hometown to be known as a dump site. I have lived in North Carolina, Georgia, and Hawaii since leaving my hometown of Winnemucca 10 years ago. And everywhere I go, I long for the great open space and beautiful majestic desert of Northern Nevada. We Nevadans are extremely lucky. Some might look around and say, “There is nothing out here, it’s just a wasteland.” But it is one of the shrinking number of places that isn’t covered in streets, buildings, cars, people, and landfills. Let’s protect it..

    • I agree with you Andrea, in fact California has 15.2 million acres of public lands the BLM manages in California – nearly 15% of the state’s land area. (http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en.html ). And the amount of private or public land that is undeveloped is upwards of 70,000,000 acres (http://aic.ucdavis.edu/publications/pub/briefs/brief16a.pdf ). This is documented in the referenced links I have included in my reply to your post.
      Not only is there enough open land available in the desert areas of California to accommodate their trash but there is land very well suited to the development of regional landfills. If you look at the map “CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION
      DIVISION OF LAND RESOURCE PROTECTION” (ftp://ftp.consrv.ca.gov/pub/dlrp/FMMP/pdf/urban_change/bayarea_urban_change1984_2004.pdf ) you can see how much land is identified as grazing land or other land described as land that INCLUDE LOW DENSITY RURAL DEVELOPMENTS, BRUSH, TIMBER, WETLAND, AND RIPARIAN AREAS NOT SUITABLE FOR LIVESTOCK GRAZING, CONFINED LIVESTOCK, POULTRY, OR AQUACULTURE FACILITIES, STRIP MINES, BORROW PITS, AND WATER BODIES SMALLER THAN 40 ACRES. VACANT AND NONAGRICULTURAL LAND SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND GREATER THAN 40 ACRES IS MAPPED AS OTHER LAND.
      So why send northern California garbage to Nevada? Because we are willing to accept it!
      I believe it’s time to just say NO! And if we have to go to litigation to protect our environment, let’s do it!

  18. WOW!!!! Something stinks and the first trainload of California trash hasn’t even hit Humboldt County.

    The August 13th Planning Commission meeting left approximately 50 worried Humboldt and Pershing County citizens locked out of the Courthouse. Those who arrived before 5 p.m.found a small three line notice posted near the Count Planning door announcing cancellation with no new time scheduled. There was no notice posted for those who arrived after 5 p. m. This meeting would have hopefully provided necessary information about the proposed Jungo Landfill, its proponents, engineering and present status to those who care about our area.

    Please help open the doors to enlighten the concerned citizens who need much more information about the California Garbage Trains coming our way. We, now more than ever, need local government transparency to help us be aware of the impending impact on us and our land.

    Clean and proactive government (at all levels) is needed NOW to protect our lives and lifestyle which will be permanently altered by this invasion of California waste.

    Nevada has many existing areas which already have environmental, safety and engineering standards. Why not locate this dumping ground near these places where the air, water, scenery and recreation have already been impacted?

    I don’t have Paul Revere’s lantern, but it’s time for ALL of us to be warned about the light of the oncoming CALIFORNIA TRASH TRAIN.

    Tom Brissenden
    Winnemucca

  19. Assemblyman Gustavson,
    On behalf of the citizens’ group Nevadans Against Garbage, I would like to thank you for attending the NDEP public hearing on air quality related to the Jungo Disposal Site proposal. We appreciate your concern for this issue regarding your constituency.
    As you might imagine, many citizens of Winnemucca and Humboldt County are frightened and outraged by the landfill proposal. These feelings are due to both the idea and magnitude of the landfill project as well as the project progression without widespread public awareness. Our group shares those emotions and is respectfully mounting an opposition campaign based on factual information.
    We welcome your involvement and plead for your assistance in our opposition. If there are any questions or information you would like regarding the landfill, we would be happy to share our information with you. Likewise, if you have any information you feel we could benefit from having (whether it is in opposition or in favor of the proposal), please contact {Nevadans Against Garbage}.

    Another Thank You for your attention, concern, and involvement.

  20. I find it incredible that Humboldt County might permit a Class 1 landfill to be developed in an area with so many potential problems because of its geography. We have prevailing and dominant winds that come from this area directly into Winnemucca, Playa drainage towards Rye Patch, possible impact to artifacts in the area, and negative impact to recreation on the Playa.

    Not only the physical impact to the area but there is no way to evaluate the impact to future growth in the area, both commercial and residential. We can look at other communities and get some idea of the negative impact that a large regional landfills has had on those communities.

    My last point deals with possible revenue for the county. My research shows reasonable Host Community Fees are from $3.68 per ton to $16.00 per ton. Why would we want to agree to anything less?

  21. Just a few comments regarding the landfill article in the August 11-13 issue of the Sun. I found it very disingenuous for some people to state that the “proposed” landfill has been a well published event and that people just weren’t paying attention. If that is the case, then it seems that the people who were not paying attention would include our elected public officials. Otherwise, wouldn’t they have the answers to all the questions being asked instead of being the ones, along with the rest of us, who are asking these questions? Most of the county commissioners stated that they listened to the landfill proposal at their last meeting in order to “fact find”.

    I’m sure that the letter of the law was fulfilled regarding the advertising of this landfill and the comment period that was required before issuing a conditional use permit. But it seems to me that the intent of the law was not met. And that intent is that area residents know full well what is being proposed in their living area. If it were just me, I’d say I just was not paying attention and missed it. But it is not just me. Most people have been unaware of what is going on.

    Now we have officials calling for calm and for taking the time to gather the facts! Wait! Does it not seem more reasonable to take the time to gather the facts and answer all the questions and concerns BEFORE issuing a conditional use permit? Pick your analogy…..cart before the horse, or closing the barn door after the horse is out, but it doesn’t seem like our public officials are any better informed than the rest of us.

  22. If special use permits have already been issued, the landfill is probably a done deal. I hope it isn’t, but there will be very big money backing the project. Hopefully, enough restrictions will be placed on this to mitigate detrimental effects to our community. Please come together as a community to hopefully reverse a very bad decision made 2 years ago by elected officials.


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